Paula and Moi Catching Up at the AFA
Where would be without it? In the bird world it seems that something is always going on and people have a tendency to disagree more than they agree. Sides are taken, opinions are raised and in the middle of all of this, sits the birds. Well, what about them? I’ve stated before and I’ll state it again that this particular issue isn’t really about the birds. It’s about people having an opinion, or people just wanting to do the right thing. Well, most of the time.
Occasionally it’s about someone just wanting to be right. They need to have the last word, slam the door on a conversation and sit back knowing, just knowing that they got the last word in, made their point and nobody is more right than they are. As you can well imagine, I run into that now and again. And trust me, I’m not the door slammer, the person who is always right and to be honest, I really hate pissy infighting.
Barabra Heidenreich and I with a kakapo painting.
I don’t mind healthy debate. And I’ve seen some great debates in the comments section of various posts I’ve published throughout the years. And I don’t mind that at all. I’ve never really felt the need to put an end to it because it never got bloody. Were people upset? Sure! Did they get worked up? Of course. But if they want to discuss it here politely, albeit passionately about their point of view, far be it from me to end it.
The Macaw has the microphone…
In all the years I’ve been writing this blog, I’ve only failed to post a handful of comments and that was because they took potshots at other people who were commenting or got really lowdown, personal and nasty about someone who made a statement. A few months ago, I got one comment from a person who made a statement of “fact” I couldn’t verify. I simply can’t print that. But what is it with this finding fault in everything crap? Good God! Someone puts up an opinion somewhere on Facebook and it’s like the Church Ladies of the world go after them with pitchforks and torches. And I’m not talking about the “Debbie Downers” of the world. That’s certainly one brand of post I don’t care for. I’m referring this time to people who absolutely must correct every damned thing you say or do.
A Golden Macaw at the AFA
I had my own personal heckler at my AFA Presentation. And she was a doozy! For one thing, she came into the presentation obviously not knowing the subject of my presentation which was very easily understood and clearly stated: The Chop Revolution: A Method of Feeding Your Birds Without Losing Your Mind.
Pretty simple right? In the title is the word, “Method.” This pretty much explains that I’m talking about a process, a way of feeding flocks. It doesn’t state, “What to feed your flock.” Apparently she didn’t understand the assignment, so to speak… I finish my presentation and took questions. There were a few. And then, “Ms. Missed the Assignment” (MTA) spoke. She said that, “All root vegetables need to be cooked.” I replied, “Like carrots?”
“Well no, those are all right.”
Did you just catch that? Did she not just previously state emphatically that ALL root vegetables need to be cooked?
She then want on to say, “But root vegetables like parsnips and rhubarb…” I replied, “Rhubarb is not a root vegetable.” That’s when I knew I had what Robin Shewokis calls a “YeahBut” on my hands.
Robin Shewokis, Danny and Melanie Allen
I told her that she was free to cook anything she liked and I was not about to tell her how she should feed her birds. She then went on about how she didn’t understand what the talk was about. Well, allrighty then! This didn’t not sit well with her. She said she wanted me to TELL her what to feed her birds. I started to say that it was a concept, a method I was talking about and that nutritional guidelines were all over the internet. Why would I waste people’s time by going over something they can find on their laptop?
Jason presenting me with a plate. I noticed there were no cookies on it.
Jason Crean who was my wonderful moderator stepped up to the plate and said that the title of my presentation was clearly stated. Robin Shewokis then got the bit between her teeth and basically said that this was the about Aviculture and that not all people eat the same things let alone birds. This got her a big round of applause. So essentially, “Ms. MTA” was shut down. I really wasn’t bothered by it too much because she was so misinformed and her argument had no bearing on reality. So it was a moot point, really. There is an interesting quote by Gregory Benford. It’s called Benford’s Law of Controversy.
“Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real (true) information available.”
I’ll have to keep that in mind.
August 31, 2012 at 7:06 am
your way of teaching is wonderful….my birds love it when I make Chop and I’m sure you run into all kinds of people in your line of business and not all of them have elevators that go to the top floor if you know what I mean….keep up the good work you do and those of us who can go all the way to the penthouse will love it…
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August 31, 2012 at 7:07 am
I think “Method” is a perfect word to use. I hear that you should only use organic fruits and veggies. Wonderful..if you can find them. Not everyone can find these items locally. With Chop it’s a method of picking and choosing what you CAN find organic or not, fresh if not then frozen (I had always heard that frozen veggies contained more nutrients then fresh if they weren’t local). And what your particular bird likes. I put rice pasta in my last batch of chop..Purl flings it..ok..no rice pasta next time. She LOVES lentils..ok..lentils in, found organic in green and red! She likes cucumbers..in. You have never posted a “recipe” for chop..just given us the idea of it. The first time I watched your video I wrote down everything you put in. I could only find about half..my chop was made with half then. I didn’t have wheat grass on hand. I have it now. I found organic hemp powder and seeds..next chop batch. Got some Herb Salad..good to go. No hot red peppers..Purl doesn’t like it. So I used your “method” and am little by little coming up with a recipe that is doable by me for my birds. Purl likes her chop fine. Ponch like chunks. So he gets frozen veggies (peas,string beans, carrots..) mixed with a blend I make of 3 different organic quinoa’s and amaranth. Ponch came to me 3 weeks ago eating chicken nuggets, sunflower seeds and peanuts because that’s what he “liked” I made him the veggie blend..and he ran down ate it and never touched another seed, peanut or chicken nugget again. I had the seed blend there for him, didn’t want him to starve. I threw it out after 3 days of it not being touched. Thank you Patricia for showing me how to easily feed my birds healthier. Because that is what the “”CHOP METHOD” is to me. A way to feed my birds healthy without the stress of trying to do something on a “daily” basis. I work so I have chop handy and ready to go, add fresh fruit and have happy birds.
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August 31, 2012 at 7:51 am
Great Article and sharing!
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August 31, 2012 at 8:01 am
I felt that your presentation was full of excellent advice, direction, and information. I made a change in the way I create my Chop, Mash, Mush, whatever you want to call it :), when one of my Amazons was diagnosed with an enlarged liver, low red blood cells, and a heart issue. I took a lot of information from a few places, tidied it up to “fit my flock” and they love it!! In the end, it is up to the caregiver to ensure their flock is receiving the optimal nutrition. Go forth and spread the Chop word, my friend!!! We all here for you!
PS – Talk to that Jason guy, we think he ate the cookies on that plate *giggle*
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August 31, 2012 at 8:36 am
Very well said, Patricia……..
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August 31, 2012 at 8:51 am
Hi Patricia, I love getting Parrot Nation! You are both very informative and insert humor where appropriate! Keep upthe good work! Stacey Prahl PS. Ginger has found a new pastime! Staring at her reflection on the wall! She stares and stares at it, especially at bedtime when I’m trying to get her to go to bed!
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August 31, 2012 at 10:03 am
Jason- No COOKIE??? Really???What kind of trainer ARE you?!?!?! ha ha ha ha!!!!
As far as CHOP, Mash or.. whatever… I feed a mixed version of Mike’s Mash (one of the original ‘recipes’ out on the internet, and the first one I was introduced to) and the Mash from FeedingFeathers; recently my Mash looks more like the CHOP (more finely… well… chopped . I got a food processor for my birthday !!!!
About half of the mix is grains/ legumes in an appx. 2:1 ratio, the other half is mixed veggies and some fruit (mostly veggies). Contents may vary seasonally).
I have been feeding fresh foods for a LONG time now, both to my dogs (raw feeding for 15 yrs) and to my birds. Variety over time is a key point – we cannot completely reproduce what some like to think of a a ‘wild’ diet, nor can we (I think) come up with a ‘complete’ diet. I don’t even believe there is any such thing as ‘complete’, no matter what the pet product – or HUMAN product- manufacturers tell us. So, whatever ‘diet’ we feed, we need to keep in mind that NONE of them are ‘complete’ nor should they be fed that way. VARIETY is key.
My birds get Mash in the morning (grains/legumes, veggies and some fruit) , chunks of veggies in the afternoon for enrichment (mostly) and eating (sometimes), Then dry mix in the evening (sprouted graines/legumes, seeds, dried fruit, fresh fruit or vegetable chunks, some seed mix and some nuts a few days a week. They also get a processed commercial product about 3X week as a ‘just in case’ measure (to cover all the bases… because I AM that paranoid ).. Some of them eat it, others do not. I mix things up from time to time, change things around. Keeps them interested.
Most of the flock eats nearly everything they get. A couple of them are still learning that green (or orange or red or other colored) foods will not hurt you. Every time one of them tries something new is a huge step. For some of my birds, it took literally YEARS for them to try new foods. Others just fell into the dish and ate.
As in most things,it’s what works for YOUR animals. What keeps them healthy and happy. So far (around 30 years or so since I got ‘into’ birds) I suspect I am doing OK. At least, my birds seem to think so…
hugs to all who are willing to try new things…
and to those who are happy to SHARE with the rest of us.
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August 31, 2012 at 10:06 am
Nice read!!!
Awwwww, come on?!! What would the bird world be without the whack-jobs?! We deal with them on Facebook—why not at conventions?! I think you should have just pretended to have a stroke and started drooling and jibbering like an idiot, perhaps even a little twitching to enhance the effect?! Hmmmmm…
One of my ex’s had a lovely cliché, Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one, it’s just a matter of how they keep it.
If people don’t realize that there is not a set way/recipe for Chop, let them figure it out, remember you can only deliver a message, what people do with the information afterwards is out of your control.
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August 31, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I think this story of the MTA is terribly funny…and terribly typical. There seem to be a lot of individuals who just HAVE to challenge you when you make a presentation…and, Patricia, you handled it well. Good work.
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August 31, 2012 at 4:03 pm
sort of had to smirk at Ms. MTA. I have never in my life encounterd as much visciousness [blood, guts and tears] in any group that claims to have the same interest at heart [in this case parrots] and as soon as I encounter any likeness of a Ms or Mr. MTA, I sneak away from the conversation like a thief in the night;)But I guess you were stuck on that podium. Enjoyed the article as usual…..and btw, spent yesterday morning making chop for my 14 wings:)
Iraine Mixon
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August 31, 2012 at 8:26 pm
So, is there any good reason to cook roots? (aside from the fact that they have been under piles of dirt. . .which can be washed off) Because my guys like raw sweet potato slices some days. I scrub, peel, rinse, and slice, so they should be reasonably clean. Or is this lady all wet?
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September 1, 2012 at 6:42 am
Funny you should ask that. I was concerned if raw was bad for my Ducorp Cockatoo Purl. I was looking up info on her breed (I’ve only had her since mid May) and they said that they can be considered pests. Why? Because they dig up the “yam” crops. So, I have to figure out if their “yam” and our “yam” are the same (we call sweet potatoes yams but in the Carribean a yam is something different, not sure about her native country). But..its not like in the wild they can cook them so raw must be fine..and dirt..not so bad.
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September 1, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Take note that parrots in the Solomon Islands fly down to the gardens after the local peoples have dug up yams and cut off the long ends and left them on the ground…the parrots go down and eat them…unwashed, untrimmed, etc. Of course, we don’t know if they have a belly ache afterwards…but I note that many parrots seem to “taste” new items to see if they are “safe” so I imagine they have some ability to distinguish bad from good.
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September 1, 2012 at 12:22 am
I was at your presentation and one of the most touching things you told us was that you got an email where a woman thanked you so much for teaching chop and it allowed her to be able to feed her birds on a budget and she was able to keep her birds. I feel that you are empowering people to better care for their parrots.
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September 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Parrot owners are TOLD that it is expensive to feed these birds and I do not find that to be the case. My birds get fresh vegetables and fruits, cooked legumes and brown rice, every morning, as well as Volkman seed mix in the evenings. And I do have a number of birds. I think that at this time, a person can feed a few parrots on less than 50 cents per bird per day, and feed them very well. However, they do need advice on how to accomplish that.
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September 1, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Patricia,
You were great. MTA was way out of line. Your charismatic evangelical zeal for chop was inspiring. Keep it up my dear!!
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October 14, 2012 at 9:27 am
Thanks for the quote from Gregory Benford, love it, I just updated my fb profile to make that my favorite quote!
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