While there has been a great deal of interest in the Wings Over the Rainbow seizure, with it came the usual storm of controversy, differences of opinion and points of view. I have seen this before when I posted the story of the Troy, Ohio birds seized last summer.
While the Troy case was clearly a hideous case of neglect, this one is still fuzzy around the edges. The photos obviously don’t tell the entire story as two people can always look at the same thing and view it differently.
One thing that is clear to me is that WOTR is a rescue and they came out of the gate with the intention of doing good for birds. I commend them for their intention. But while I wasn’t there and the facts are still fuzzy, it bothers me that it went so far that a seizure was even considered.
Parker with his “Ty-Stick” Toy
It’s still early in the court proceedings and the birds are still being evaluated and treated. I do know that no birds as of yet have been euthanized because that was part of the model they went in with. Whether this policy stays in place is still in question. From my understanding some of the birds were in pretty tough shape. And it was explained to me that WOTR took in the hard cases, so many of these birds came to them already in rough shape. So I’m sure they will have to take it as it comes and do what is best for each individual bird.
As far as the wide range of opinions people are rendering, I believe the reason for the discussion and the differences of opinion comes down to one thing: People give a damn.
If they didn’t, they wouldn’t feel so strongly about voicing their opinion. With well over one hundred comments, my post Twisted Heart from last week is peppered with opinions about how things were handled and whether the seizure should have happened in the first place.
There has been conjecture that perhaps some of the photos were staged to make things appear worse than they are. I have been told that apparently this has happened before in other cases. I highly doubt this happened in this case but that possibility was thrown out there. However, I just don’t think the conditions were staged in the Moraine, Ohio seizure:
Let me once again reiterate that I was not there. I would have liked to have been there to help out in any way I could, but that’s all water over the dam at this point. However, it does bring up a point of interest and a subject worthy of discussion.
I have information from excellent sources that this particular seizure had been planned for months. The Humane Society of Greater Dayton wanted to do things correctly and not having had much experience with birds, they consulted several seasoned and well-respected avian professionals and Avian Veterinarians before executing the seizure. Unlike the Troy case which turned into a legal nightmare, this case is very different. The humane officer in charge, Sheila Marquis had competent people advising her long before her agency went in. She had an air conditioned van lined up and cages donated. She had experienced volunteers, food, perches, toys and equipment. They were well-prepared.
Foraging Toy
Which brings up a fair question: Who is considered competent to handle this situation? What constitutes a professional in this field? What qualifications must you have in order to be considered a knowledable individual in the field of aviculture? And what kind of background must you have in order to be considered competent to help out in a situation like the WOTR situation? Hmm….
Let me qualify this question by using myself as an example. I’m a very competent parrot caregiver in that I have a flock of three healthy, happy African Greys. I have worked in various areas of aviculture for a time by experiencing the work of a keeper in a zoo, and working at Best Friends Animal Society. I have helped out in the retail business assisting in opening a retail bird supply store. I’ve seen bird food being manufactured and packaged.
I have also seen first hand what the home of a “breeder-hoarder” looks like. (This is my opinion. It was years ago when I was first getting into the field. I saw what I saw and while I didn’t like it, at the time I didn’t know any better and wouldn’t have known what to do.) I roughly know how a “Foster Model” Adoption and Rescue non-profit works as well as a brick and motor model. I’ve also seen a sanctuary.
A Pensive Parker
I’ve seen good bird retail shops, great retail bird shops, and some places that looked like crack houses. I don’t know anything about breeding. I am not a Vet Tech. But I know how to handle birds gently and sensitively. I know how to take direction and I know the difference between a healthy bird and one that is very sick.
I also know how to set up a cage, clean a cage, scrub perches and wash bowls. In a situation like this, it would seem that while you need people who know what they are doing actually running the rodeo, you don’t need “Avian Experts” to clean and replace the papers of the cages containing over a hundred birds on a daily basis. You don’t need Avian Vets washing bowls and scrubbing perches. Even I can do that.
So questioning the “competency” of people helping out seems a little petty to me.
I had questions about how one goes about planning an operation like this or even if there was a guide to setting up a rescue. Turns out that there is.
I discovered that there is a book written on the very subject of how to cope with this situation. It’s a handbook available at the Avian Welfare Coalition called, Captive Exotic Bird Care: A Guide For Shelters. It came highly recommended to me and I intend to order it.
I do not know all of the people “on the ground” helping out at WOTR. But I do know two. I know Rick Van Tuyl. Formerly of Best Friends Animal Society, I have personally seen Rick’s own flock and know him to be totally competent and experienced to be working with the WOTR birds. He is sensible, and very tuned in to the needs of birds as well as having decades of experience. He is currently on the ground now with the birds and is lending his expertise to the Humane Society of Greater Dayton.
Hanging with Jing, one of Rick Van Tuyl’s African Greys.
I also know Dr. Susan Orosz, one of two Avian Vets who volunteered to come in and help with the triage. She’s an Avian Vet with years under her belt and as far as I’m concerned, that’s enough for me.
That’s Dr. O on the far right. Photo courtesy of Lisa Bono of the Platinum Parrot
I also am aware of two who were the consultants in setting up for this particular operation. Both have decades of experience, both are still active in the field and both are highly respected. I am personally more than satisfied that the people on the ground are knowledgeable, sensible and sensitive individuals who are not just competent, they are highly skilled.
Along with Dr. O and Rick, Dr. Julie Burge was working with Dr. O doing triage. Long before this particular operation, Dr. Burge was involved with helping animals in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. So with this sort of expertise that I’m familiar with, not taking into consideration who else is there, I’m comfortable that this situation is in good hands.
There will forever be discussion and debate as to the necessity of the seizure. But at this time, that point is moot. The birds have been taken and are under the care of people considered competent by the local authorities.
What happens next is no longer up to anyone but the court system. In the meantime, perhaps we should all concentrate on helping the people who are helping the birds. If those of you who have set up ways to help, to donate or to assist in other ways could post links to those organizations in the comments section, it would be very much appreciated.
May 24, 2012 at 11:55 am
http://www.facebook.com/groups/TheParrotPosse/ We have waited until last night to start shipping supplies, since we knew that their immediate needs had been covered for the first week or so. Now, we are sending food, mostly for the larger birds. (Not to head off misunderstandings, because little birds don’t matter: it’s simply that at present, they have sufficient food for the little guys.) We have now helped out on a number of these large seizures sending whichever supplies are most critically needed, and then posting all reciepts, etc, to show precisely where donated dollars have been spent. At the moment, we have only 11 hours left to go in the little auction we are running to help fund supplies for these birds, so if you go to our Facebook page, and click on: “PHOTOS,” then “Auctions,” you can see the items up for bid, and join in the fun! All auction items are DONATED, every penny of your winning bid is used to help birds in need.
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May 24, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Way to go Parrot Posse!
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May 24, 2012 at 11:56 am
Great Article hun 🙂 Sharing on FB!
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May 24, 2012 at 11:59 am
We have a Facebook Page called Help for the Helpers, it’s at http://www.facebook.com/helpforthehelpers/ that helps promote companies and organizations that are providing assistance, donations or services to rescues and rescue efforts for all animals. At the moment we do not have anything specific to the WOTR or Troy situations but we welcome everyone who is doing things to benefit them specifically to post their links on our page so that subscribers can be notified and participate in these specials. Thanks! 🙂
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May 24, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Great article. Since I am local, the HS of Greater Dayton could not give specific items needed due to the lawsuit. I was told to donate whatever I thought a bird would need. I personally dropped off newspaper, new towels, paper towels, and several new large bird toys. I would think monetary donations would be wonderful for those not local and specified towards the bird seizure. I know several groups sending toys to the HS of GD.
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May 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Again, very well said.
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May 24, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Great write up as always Pat, thanks for sharing it with us all.
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May 24, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Bravo!! This is one of the reasons I consider you such a great friend and an asset to the avian community—your fairness!
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May 24, 2012 at 1:14 pm
While the writings about WOTR have been as thorough as possible, and the opinions have questioned the sanitary and health condition of the parrots, I have not seen any mention of the psychological impact their environment was having on these birds.
At The Lily Sanctuary, where cleanliness and care is exceptional, we devote a lot of time and energy into trying to evaluate the psychological welfare of each and every bird. We experience a multitude of observations that determine which parrots are ready for adoption, what type of home and family would be best for them, the placing of their cages and aviaries in the sanctuary/rescue, their likes and dislikes, plus their history and care that occured before coming to The Lily Sanctuary.
They are observed every day, including the amount of food, seed and pellets they eat, how much they poop and its ratio of poop to urine. What type of people they respond to positively or negatively is also a strong consideration in our evaluation of each bird. It is our opinion that a truly full-functioning rescue/sanctuary will go to these extremes to do everything possible to provide a forever home that give each parrot a wonderful, happy and healthy life.
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May 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Exactly Dan. This is why we keep our population low…so that we can make these observations. Each bird is an individual, and deserves the respect of being known and valued for who he/she is. Each of our birds has a lifecare plan, so that we can track their progress, likes, dislikes and any issues that could use some extra attention. we could easily take in another 100 birds, but then we would do a disservice to those who already live here and depend on us to give them the highest possible quality of life.
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May 24, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Wonderful. Article and well said. The bird’s are all that matter
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May 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm
This was a wonderful follow-up article, Pat, and I commend you for keeping the emotion out of it … hard as it may have been. Thank you for allowing us to “vent” on Parrot Nation as this is an emotional subject for ALL of us … no matter what “side” we’re on.
Finally I want to praise The Parrot Posse for what they have done over the years. I worked at The Gabriel Foundation when The Parrot Posse’s generosity helped transition nearly 40 macaws and cockatoos from an abusive hoarding situation in Pueblo, Colorado, to one where the birds started to trust people again. The Foundation couldn’t have done it without The Parrot Posse’s help.
I am grateful to the avian veterinarians and professional staff that made this seizure as effective as possible. We must now be patient and wait for the truth to come out.
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May 24, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Loved the article. It is indeed all about the birds.
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May 24, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Bravo Pat,,, and Bravo to all who are now helping the birds…….it is soooo hard to keep the emotions at bay…… I am not sure that this would have been possible in this case,, I understand by hearsay, that help was offered to WOTR before this happened and was refused,,,, but I dearly wish that instead of it getting to this point the rescue could have been assisted in recovering,,,
and I can’t help wondering if anyone is thinking to help the humans involved, now that the birds are being taken care of,,, as an RN who has experience working with adults with mental illness,,,it saddens me.. yes hoarding is a form of mental illness.
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May 24, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Excellent essay, Patricia — answered a lot of “free-floating” issues and explained a lot.
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May 24, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Parrot Toy Angels com are working on toys, mostly big is what I was told was needed. We also have a Facebook group if anyone would like to help make toys: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Parrot Toy Angel Volunteers
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May 24, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Great follow up Patricia. The most important thing is to care for the birds now. Humans have put them in this situation and now it is time for humans to make amends.
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May 24, 2012 at 9:33 pm
From what I have been hearing, this situation escalated into a hoarding situation and hoarding is considered a mental illness—like drug or alcohol dependency, depression, ADD, etc., and in my opinion, we need to show some compassion and try understand Deborah. We need to realize that WOTR started with good intent but just like so many other situations, it went awry and if we start to chastise those with an illness like this, it will only make it harder for them to seek help and they will be afraid of being villianized; who benefits then?
I want to see something good come out of this, aside from the birds being placed in a better situation, I want to see Deborah get the help she needs if she is suffering from an illness. We need to band together, we need to realize that there are going to be other rescues like this coming into focus, and we need to extend our hand so the true victims—the birds, will get the attention they need instead of being hidden.
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May 26, 2012 at 11:06 am
Beautifully said, Robert.
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May 26, 2012 at 11:07 am
Beautifully spoken, Robert.
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May 24, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Patricia, thank you for your blogs on the WOTR seizure. The whole situation is distressing and depressing. It is especially hard when it is obvious that folks had good intentions to begin with. It is also confusing to hear conflicting reports about the WOTR from people who volunteered there and whether or not the HSUS are the “good guys” or the “bad guys”. As one who shares my life with birds I am concerned that the remaining birds should be well-cared for. I hope we can all join together and help with this. Is there some way we can do so?
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May 24, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Great article Patricia! After reading it, I think we can all be assured that the birds are in great hands. As Linnea said, it would have been nice to see help come to the rescue before the seizure, but as you stated here, it’s in the courts hands now and all the facts will come out in time. It’s hard to judge anything at this point, but I personally am happy to know that the birds that were in need of medical treatment are getting it.
And thank you for writing these articles in response to all of this. It keeps us informed and also reminds us of what’s important.
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May 25, 2012 at 1:44 am
this is what i posted on Tuesday May 21st, This is just my observation of the facts brought up in court as quite a few of here us see it.— from Tuesday: & how do ya like that ( HSOGD & HSUS said Wings Over The Rainbow has been under investigation for the last 6 or 8 months & lots of planing) BS they just said in court Tuesday this began when someone contacted the detective in APRIL, with a complaint, HELOOOO this is only MAY why did the HS of Greater Dayton & HSUS & the other rescuers like Mr “Rick Van Tuyl involved tells everyone it was MONTHS in the making. there was no planing at all, they did not asess the bird properly before thowing them in to pet cariers, after toweling them which in it’self stresses birds. and not to mention most of these birds were ABUSED. But DEB SHELL & Her staff & volenteers have worked with each & every bird there & only a few were hard cases. but if they would have talked to the wings staff none of the birds would of needed to be toweled to handle. Dam lies & politics, and now 5 fids are gone for no good reason, other than the HSOGD & HSUS needed publicity for them to raise money for themselves at the expence of 5 & maybe more little ones. by the time this is said & done. They SUCK!!!!!!!! At handleing birds. they need to stick to dogs, cats & live stock which they dont fair to well at those either. One thing is Clear HSOGD & HSUS needs be acountable for the five that lost thier lives so far & maybe more.before it is settled, ( This next part IS from Wings Over The Rainbow ) – ( FIVE of our birds are apparently DEAD at the hands of the Humane Society either stressed to death or euthanized. FIVE that would be alive today if not for the government raid on our little rescue. FIVE little souls frightened and lost. First day in court and no accusations of cruelty. NONE. Just statements that it SMELLED and there were MICE. Was that reason to take our birds and in the process kill five? Where is the “humane” in Humane Society? They won’t even tell us which birds. Our hearts are ripped open.) – If this is All they got then something is definatly wrong with this whole thing, common sence would tell you that. most of dayton & the surounding area’s have a SMELL & MICE. If the court rules in favor of HSOGD & HSUS over SMELL’S & MICE, You will have to ask yourself who’s pocket’s are deep enough to sway the courts. this would prove only one thing “money talk’s HSUS walk’s” right to another town to wreak havock on another poor UNDESERVING person or Group to gain publicity & more funds. On the flipside if the Court’s Rule in favor of Wings Over The Rainbow, HSOGD & HSUS should have to make a public apolligy to WINGS OVER THE RAINBOW & TO DEB & ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS & VOLENTEERS for causing anguish & despare to them & all the birds for having to deal with this illfated plan to raise publicity & money, & they should have to anounce the NAME of the accuser in this whole thing & make it PUBLIC. as for you folks replying on this post, blog The BIRDS are NOT in great hands, those hands are killing our bird slowly. To Patricia Sund your buddy Rick Van Tuyl displays this on his facebook page like a trophy
( A detective testified in court today that he saw birds crowded and in distress, along with one bird with open wounds when more than 100 birds were seized from a nonprofit bird rescue organization. The Humane Society of Greater Dayton, with assistance from the Humane Society of the United States.)
If this is all they show now tell me how does it look to people? BAD!!! thats how HSUS works, to get suporters, dont tell them why or how the bird got that way as long as it makes HSUS & thier so called help look like they are saving them. that is not right in my book , is it in your’s? or your readers?
only you can answer that. but heres the facts
He fails to let the people know the bird with the OPEN WOUND on it’s chest came in with a tumor the about the size of a pingpong ball, which was removed by Wings Vet & left open for a reason, to HEAL from the inside out to permit unrestricted swelling of tissues adjacent to the wound, thereby allowing decompression and avoiding ischaemia; & to permit exudation of serum; Take it for what it’s worth.
OK now YOU Can DELET ME like others that dont want to how it realy is,
but just how HSUS shows it. thankyou for your time on this Randy.
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May 25, 2012 at 7:26 am
The investigation was started in April of 2011. More than a year ago. All that was needed for this hearing was to show probable cause to remove the birds. As criminal charges are pending they are not going to show hard evidence at this hearing.
And anyone that knows birds could see those birds were handled gently and with great care as they were removed.
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May 24, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Gee, you all are here to bash someone for helping “Birds in Need” when no one else wanted them, where were you when help was needed, Quit bashing WOTR, why don’t you help and quit talking and spreading more junk!!!!!
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May 25, 2012 at 2:01 am
Jacque Johnson’s comment about my comment brought up an interesting point, and one that all of you should think about. Not just about others but for yourselves as well. Jacque commented that paying attention to the emotional needs of the birds is so important that “This is why we keep our population low…so that we can make these observations.”
At The Lily Sanctuary, we have cut our population down significantly over the past few years. At one point we had way too many birds and it was not good for us or the birds. Yes, I would love to have the facilities, the means and the personnel to provide care for hundreds of birds, but that isn’t where we are at.
My point is that we–my wife Venette and I–very well could have unknowingly become hoarders. Not neccesarily out of an addiction or mental illness, but for not seeing that our love and devotion to the birds was compelling us to take in more than we could responsibly take care of. While I do not condone nor do I have any feeling about the owners of WOTR, I can see how a big heart can become a BIG problem.
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May 26, 2012 at 11:11 am
This is a very good point, and one that I think many of us battle with. For me personally, at this point in my life, six birds in my limit, and it’s so hard not to take in more when there are so many in need. But if I did, I would be doing all of them a disservice. It’s difficult to know your own limits and to not cross them, and oftentimes when it’s done, it’s out of good intentions, but all the birds suffer for it.
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May 25, 2012 at 6:57 am
Thank you Patricia for helping us see this in a calm informed manner. We all are growing closer as a group and community, and need to band to help when these issues arise…..and they will.
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May 25, 2012 at 7:13 am
Thank You Patrica, a very good article, well written. The Case still belongs to the courts to decide. We all have our own opinions. But in the long run, It is what is best for those birds that should matter the most.
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May 25, 2012 at 9:28 am
Patrica: thank you for a well written article, balanced and unbiased. I know feelings are running very strong among both supporters and detractors. That is why it is so important that we all withhold judgement. Deborah Shell and WOTR must have done something right to have such impassioned supporters. Were there problems? Maybe. But whether the seizure was justified or not will not be decided here, but in court. I think we need to concentrate on moving forward, and working together to support each other. In the end, this may be what we all needed to wake us up and remind us that we need to be reaching out to each other.
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May 25, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I think wings should be given a second chance and get the birds back.In a new facility with more dedicated volunteers.This seizure did not benefit the birds.Some of these birds were sanctuary birds that had issues.some were even likely bonded to eachother and the people at wings,HSUS doesnt know the birds needs,history,likes,dislikes etc I m also pretty certain they dont even know their names.so how can ripping them away benefit them.I think everyone involved would benefit if wings were given a new building and a group of volunteers to help out the community should come together and find a way to make this possible.Think of all the money being spent right now housing all these birds and what happens to those who have behavioral issues?Where the hell will they go?,it’s stupid when wings can care for them and loves them.Give wings a building that you find suitable,hell, if it makes you feel better give them weekly or monthly inspections and offer up some help then everybody wins,especially the birds.you have a dedicated group of people who love those birds and thats what matters the very most!Screw all the mudslinging BS,who’s right and who’s wrong.Too many egos in the bird community.Bottom line is the birds and not selfish pride.Come together and work it all out,help each other and in turn the birds get helped isn’t that bottom line anyway?.I have never seen so much pettiness in my life until this WOTR thing it’s like being in high school again cliques, people posting disparaging comments about WOTR and promoting their smear campaigns,in what way does this help the birds?NONE,it doesn’t help them at all.
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May 26, 2012 at 6:22 am
Thank you, Patricia, for a balanced summation of the facts. I would also refer anyone interested in facts, provided by WOTR (aka Wings Over America) themselves, to their 990s, their tax returns, on Guidestar. Their page is here http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/54-2088158/wings-over-america.aspx#idReportSectionForms990Quick You will see exactly where the donations went, according to their sworn statements to the IRS. Ashley Rheiner (aka Randy, above), I suggest you take a good look.
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May 26, 2012 at 9:20 am
As I’ve stated before, I was there. Before and after. It was filthy, prior to the removal of the birds the smell in the building was so bad that you could barely breathe after just a few minutes in there. It was not better after. The cages I helped unload after being taken to put into storage were still filthy. Mouse droppings were on everything, and I believe we even moved in a few roaches and a mouse. Did I help to “spy” on them as I have been accused of? No, I saw the “before”, I watched the removal of the birds on the news, I knew it was bad and was happy that the birds were taken out of there, I went to help clean up for two reasons, one was to see with MY OWN EYES what was true or false, and then to tell Deb that I was sorry that this happened, right or wrong, hoarder, breeder whatever, she is still a human being and needs compassion to heal her broken heart. But to me at least, that does not include having those birds returned to her. All the people that are hurling accusations back and forth should spend that time and energy creating a clean, well designed refuge for unwanted birds, talk is cheap people. Deb may have been responsible for the day to day care, but the board of WOTR should be held liable for gross negligence in their oversight of the organization!!!!
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May 26, 2012 at 2:40 pm
yes, it was terrible,, and yes the birds needed to be removed,, I commend you for your comments that Deb deserves compassion, hoarding is a form of obsessive compulsive disorder, and needs treatment, not punishment,, she has been punished enough
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May 26, 2012 at 3:23 pm
This is still a tragedy that will never be resolved, especially because of some of the birds’ conditions. If this were a rescue that euthanized plucked or lame birds, would anyone donate? I don’t think so. There is a lot of focus on “no kill”, but you always have to keep the quality of life issue in the forefront. That is why I like the AWC book. There is a quality of life form that you can use to objectively evaluate a bird’s condition. While we have used the form with our vet, thankfully, we have not had to go any further than treatment for the ailments. That may not always be the case.
Patricia, you mentioned the experiences you have had with foster model and brick and mortar rescues, so I formally invite you to a home-based rescue that operates with very high standards. I will show you around, let you meet the birds, meet our board of directors, and our volunteers. You will even see that each bird eats Chop 😉
Home-based rescue is difficult, but it can be done well and make the temporary time between homes very comfortable and productive. That is all we want…comfy, healthy, and happy birds until new families are found. If rescues keep these goals in mind and have a business plan in place, it doesn’t have to end the way it did at WOTR.
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May 26, 2012 at 9:56 pm
I would love to come visit! Thank you for the invitation.
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May 26, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Of course we all have our opinions….be they be negative, be they be negative. Do any of you have rescues???? Do you know what it is like? Probably not! I don’t have rescues, I have two birds, they are the LOVE of my life and if I thought anything was going to happen to me, I would not hesitate to contact DEB. I figure someone that will take in Unwanted, Abused birds is a SAINT in themselves. Why are you all attacking her. Can you do this? I can’t. She took it upon her heart and soul to help these birds and give them a better LIFE when NO ONE else would, they were essentially “throw away birds” or “Kill birds” and she took them in and now she is being condemmed. Shame on everyone involved. I couldn’t do it, could you??? Obviously NOT, because we are where we are and you are not helping…..
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May 27, 2012 at 2:39 am
I seldom get too much involved in these online controversies, but I have kept up with this one and I can’t hold back any more. The support and “adoration” for the WOTR caregiver is absurd. This is not a case of where your thoughts and heart were “before”, but where and what you are doing now. There is absolutely no excuse, no mitigating circumstances, and certainly no room for pity for this person for allowing these birds to be kept under the conditions as we have seen reported. This person, if she is as “normal” as many of you make her out to be, should have taken steps a long time ago to greatly reduce the number of birds she had; to provide a clean and adequately large enough space for those birds she did keep, and; to provfde for, or seek out some assistance for, the necessary medical and rehabilitation help that was so sadly needed. Please do not insult the many of us around this country who sacrifice our homes, our money, our freedom and, yes, even our health to provide the best possible care for parrots we rescue and provide sanctuary for 365 days and nights a year. There is absolutely no argument that can justify the conditions of the facility or the birds as was documented at the time of the seizure. It makes me question how much some of you really know about the intricate and delicate nature of captive exotic birds; their susceptibility to viruses and a contagious environment, and the sensitivity they have toward their environment. Some of you report that you were familiar with WOTR–why didn’t you take steps to help the situation instead of berating the rest of us now for not doing something to help this person out? In my opinion, she is in a much better situation now without the birds. Maybe she can go and have a normal life without the huge responsibility of such a massive amount of very needy exotic parrots.
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May 27, 2012 at 10:47 am
Dan, while I can agree with the majority of what you said, I say there is definitely room for having not pity, but compassion for the people who ran WOTR, she is a human being who I believe started this rescue with the best of intentions, but was soon overwhelmed, I believe that maybe she has hoarding tendencies, and hoarding is classified as a part of obsessive compulsive disorder,,,
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May 27, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Dan, I have to agree with Linnea, we need to exercise some compassion in these cases, otherwise, my biggest fear is that many birds will be lost because people will be afraid to come forward when they are in need. As I have stated time and time again, lets not allow the suffering of these birds to be in vain—we need to learn from this and try to make it a preventable situation. I am not showing “pity”, I am showing compassion, I am showing reasoning and hope, I may be wearing rose-colored glasses at times, but I simply cannot be hardened by the suffering. I understand your points and I certainly respect where they are coming from but in world today, we need more compassion…just my 2¢.
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May 27, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Robert,, I think your thoughts are worth more than 2 cents….
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May 27, 2012 at 7:56 am
Sandi,
You asked, “Do any of you have rescues???? Do you know what it is like?”
I can answer that for you and the answer is yes.
At least two of the people who responded just on this thread alone run rescues.
Dan Hill and his wife run The Lily Sanctuary in California and Jacque Johnson is the Manager of The Parrot Garden at Best Friends Animal Society in Kanab, Utah.
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May 27, 2012 at 10:41 am
Sandi,, not all who responded were “attacking Deb”, and it is my understanding that while Deb was constantly soliciting for donations, a lot of experienced people offered assistance and were turned away…..
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May 28, 2012 at 1:30 am
Very well said Sandi!! So true!
Oh by the way people, Deborah was not a “hoarder,” she did not have OCD. She had been turning unwanted parrots away for at least 6 months because she was NOT a hoarder. She has been adopting out adoptable parrots to suitable adopters because she was NOT a hoarder.
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May 28, 2012 at 6:40 am
Nicole: Okay, since you brought this revelation to light; Are you certain Deborah does not have OCD? Has she ever seen and been diagnosed by a mental healthcare professional regarding this issue? Given the circumstances and what you just claimed, my perspective of this matter then would change significantly… The one thing we must realize when we become adults is that we do have limits, and if we can’t realize them, all those around us—all living souls—may suffer and we are then held accountable for our actions and must accept the consequences.
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May 28, 2012 at 11:34 am
well said Robert
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May 28, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Linnea, thanks! We also need to keep in mind, she may not have OCD, but there are many mental issues—I hate the term illness—that can be associated with this behavior, such as depression, and the need to feel needed or loved. Again, this requires a mental healthcare professional to determine, but I really do believe that something came into play for this to happen. Regardless, we need to now focus on the aftermath, getting these birds placed and learning from this issue.
Folks, we need to think this out, discuss and look forward…
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May 28, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Yes! Enough is enough! So far, this has been a referendum on Deb and the WOTR actions/non actions. I think enough has been said about this so let’s get off of that part of this problem. Many of you who are in a position to help in any way whatsoever should take part in a plan to rectify the status of these birds. For those of us who are too far away, but still remain concerned, we would like to hear how the situation is progressing.
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May 28, 2012 at 11:31 am
Nicole, by the conditions of the building, she should have been doing more than turning away parrots, she should have been finding foster/temporary placement for the birds that were there,, also who at WOTR deemed which parrots were unadoptable? just because a bird has special needs doesn’t mean it is unadoptable,,,,, al..so in fact I think it is better for special needs birds to be in a home like atmosphere rather than clumped together in a building. As for the OCD, are you a mental health expert, because if not you are not qualified to say she doesn’t have it,, and as a medical professional who has worked with the adult mentally ill, I know the symptoms when I see them…… there are many degrees of OCD, from the very mild, to the very severe,,,, and in each degree, sometimes even the person does not realize they have it….
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May 28, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Yes, there’s nothing wrong with a little compassion for someone that started out with good intentions and got in over her head. What ever caused this issue it was not intentional I am sure. The video saddened me…………..just heart breaking. I don’t know personally why or how long those birds were in that condition. Did they just get brought in? Was she doing all she could? Just don’t know……was she getting all the help she was asking for?………..was she turning help down?…………so many questions that need answers
They say it takes a village to raise a child and it’s he same for rescue birds. One person takes them in out of the goodness of their heart while everyone else sits back and judges. This is not against any of you personally, but just in general it is what happens. Some will jump in and help, either monetary donations or physical volunteering but many do nothing but judge The fact is, it’s a sad world we live in and there are too many areas in need of help and animal rescues are not always the first chosen.
I have taken in birds. I have 17. In the last year or two I’ve turned down birds looking for homes because I can’t do more than I’m already doing. Some days it feels like I can’t do it anymore, but I keep on going. Just like parents with their children. For all I know, one more bird might put me over the edge. How do we actually know when it has come to that?
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May 28, 2012 at 2:28 pm
you do just fine, my friend,, just fine
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May 29, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Facebook Group Parrot Troopers has and still is raising funds for more toys and perch brackets. We’ve already raised enough money to send 12 Large and 20 medium sized birds toys via D and M Bird Toys and a case of Natural Inspirations Cages Perch Brackets. We’re striving for another case of perch brackets and then more toys so anyone interested in helping can send any size cash donation to our Chip-In account.
http://parrottrooperstoydrop.chipin.com/wotr-seized-birds-funds-for-toys-and-perch-holders
And find out more about our progress and our main reason for Parrot Troopers at:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/300211436711107/
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June 10, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Would someone please give me a full ‘report’ as to what is going on re the ‘Takeover’ of Wings? Regards, Peter Hines. (Australia). Mail would be nice though a phone number by which I could speak with someone would be much more appreciated. My thanks, Pete Hines.
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June 10, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Last week, the judge ruled that the warrant to remove the birds was legal. Bond was set, and if Wings cannot pay the bond, it’s over for them. Assumedly at that point, the humane society will put the birds up for adoption. There is another hearing on June 19th for two people wanting to have their personal birds returned.
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August 14, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I really need to address this, for the benefit of all those people who can’t understand why “Wings” was closed and the birds seized. They were living in terrible conditions. If you have not been there, don’t make assumptions. I was there for months, trying to help her. She would not accept help. Give money? Many people gave her money for the birds and it was not used for that purpose. Donate toys? Many of us also donated toys; she put them up for sale. They never made it to the cages. Deborah always had a reason why the birds could not be adopted out. The place and the birds deteriorated to the point where the dirt covered everything an inch thick, and the birds were all nearly moribund by the time they were seized, and Deborah’s mental and physical health had reached it lowest poin. On the day of the seizure roaches and mice had taken over the place, the stench of ammonia permeated the building, and it was all people could do to get them out and in the carriers.
The birds were handled extremely carefully. Each and every bird was carefully examined by one of three excellent avian veterinarians. Everything was documented. The Humane Society made sure that each bird was gently handled, and bird people from many states were there to care for them. They were not just “thrown into cages.” Where before many birds were forced to endure small cages and overcrowded conditions, each now has its own, clean cage and a lot of love and attention.
The birds are in much better condition today, after 3 months of vet care, good nutrition–including fresh fruits and veggies–and socialization by the volunteers. The personal birds of those who boarded with her were returned to their owners weeks ago. Yes, some birds have died–none euthenized–and a few are still on meds. This is not the fault of the Humane Society. All of these birds had an illness when they arrived, some so extreme that they could not be saved. These birds are 100% better than they were when they came in. They are active in their cages, get taken out and handled and cuddled, are bright and alert.
So please don’t judge all shelters the same. Some are well-run, others are run by hoarders who have placed their own needs ahead of the birds’. As a volunteer there from the beginning I know what has occurred and what tremendous improvement these birds have shown. Wings needed to be closed. Thank you for your concern.
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August 14, 2012 at 9:49 pm
THANK YOU JEANNINE! I posted several comments about this whole issue several months ago. You had the good sense not to unveil the evil truth of the matter. You know the old saying: “If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.” Hoarding is one thing, but the filthy, contaminated condition of the house is simply criminal in my mind. I know many of you out there work hard at keeping everything as clean as possible. I also know the huge amount of countless hours our volunteers work here at The Lily Sanctuary to keep us as clean and sterile as humanly possible. It is virtually impossible to care for that many birds, even with volunteers, unless they are outdoor birds and their aviaries are cleaned by power washing. Even then, it’s not 100% satisfactory and that kind of bird keeping is not acceptable in most cases anyway.
It is a real shame that the parrot rescue and sanctuary world takes such a distant back seat to the dog and cat organizations. Our expenses and work is many times greater than theirs and yet they get tremendous donations and support and the parrots get the crumbs. I agonize over that every day but I think there may be something in the works that you will see next spring that should help us all start getting more recognition and the support we need.
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August 15, 2012 at 9:07 am
i dont know alot about the WOTR situation. I dont even have a rescue near me that i could help at. I live in a rural town in florida. But it seems that every couple months i have some random person say to me “oh! you keep parrots? I have one i need to get rid of, do you want it?” They arent offering to sell it to me, just give it to me to get it out of their home. Usually they dont even know its species, “oh its a green one” In many cases, the poor creature is neglected, in some i’d call it downright abuse. I’d love to save ’em all. But i cant. I have an obligation to the angels here in my livingroom. And tho my heart bleeds for the poor parrots who need a loving home, i know that it would be wrong to accept it. I know my limits, my heart sometimes challenges my head in this matter but the love i have for my flock keeps me on the straight and narrow. We, parrot people, all wanna save ’em all. Its a bad situation with no happy answer.
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September 23, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Thank you all for being more open-minded about this situation. Here’s the latest. The Humane Society of Greater Dayton was given custody of the birds at a hearing in Kettering on Tuesday. This means that now they can be moved to permanent sites after a complete vet check. Some are being adopted by those of us who have been volunteering for over 4 months. I’m taking just one cockatiel–I too know my limits–and the rest will be going to various reputable shelters which adopt out. Deborah, according to the plea deal, is allowed to have 10 birds, and she has chosen to take 7 macaws and 1 cockatoo. She already has 2 birds at home. She is subject to monthly, random visits to make sure she is caring for the birds properly and not hoarding. There are more stipulations which hopefully will prevent her from starting up the hoarding again. The SPCA has begun a program to help animal hoarders so that they do not continue this behavior. She is to be getting this help. The information is on the WHIOTV website. Go into that and search “Deborah Shell Wings Over the Rainbow.”
It has been very hard for all of you to read the rumors, opinions and criticisms of both sides and come away with an accurate picture. It’s been such a long time that the birds have been in the facility, but now they will be going to a good, permanent home. They’ll be adopted out and have loving homes and the care they deserve. This really is the best thing for them. I will continue to go up and help them until all the birds are gone. I take my commitments seriously.
Deborah’s heart was in the right place. She really believed she was doing good work, and in the beginning, I’m sure she was. But you can’t care for 140+ birds by yourself. Those of us who tried to help her were treated quite badly and eventually left. I hated leaving–I knew what was going to happen to those birds–but I had no choice. One cannot continue to work in such a stress-filling environment. And we knew she wouldn’t change because of her mental issues. The longer this went on, the worse it became. Don’t criticize the Humane Society for waiting so long–there’s plenty of blame to go around.
Now that this is nearly over, we can asses the situation, and hopefully, prevent a recurrance of this type of hoarding. But you know as well as I that it will always be there. We must be more vigilant and get people the help they need long before it reaches this stage.
Thank you.
Jeannine Miesle
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August 16, 2012 at 11:29 am
You are welcome, Dan Hill. I’ll be interested in seeing what comes about in the spring which will benefit the birds. I wish everyone could see how far these birds have come in just three months. We’re all hoping Deborah signs over the birds soon so they can leave their temporary home and go to permanent ones. This has drug out in the courts far too long.
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September 23, 2012 at 5:35 pm
There are two more points that I neglected to mention. In addition to the two veterinarians mentioned, there were two more there at triage in May: Dr. Robert Dahlhausen, of Milford, Ohio, near Cincinnati, and Dr. Dan Brauer, of Dayton. All four of these vets are at the top of their profession. Dr. Brauer, in particular, and his tech, Jim Tinnell, should be given medals for the tremendoes amount of work they have done for the birds and the HS. They were in several times a week, conducted exams and performed many tests, including cytology and Gram’s stains on these birds. They even performed surgery on some of them. They gave willingly of their time and skills to give these birds the best medical care possible. They engaged in consultations with staff, gave recommendations for improved husbandry, and provided medications to the birds needing them. As a result, only a very few are still on medications, and even those will be allowed to go soon. I continue to be amazed at the level of preparation, the on-going care and the commitment of hte HS staff, the veterinarians and techs, and the volunteers. It was not without its stresses, but well worth it in the end. Volunteers brought in toys, food supplements and, treats for these birds.
Now that it is nearly over, we are agree that we will miss each other and the birds. We have made friends with other like-minded people. And we all hope that a similar situation never befalls birds again.
Thanks to all of you for listening.
Jeannine Miesle
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October 14, 2012 at 8:16 pm
A Closing Statement.
At last,druing the week of October first, 5 months to the day since the seizure was accomplished, the WOTR birds were moved out of the warehouse in which they had been kept. It was a sad, emotional week, since so many of the volunteers and staff had become attached to the birds. There was a bitter-sweet feel to the days they were picked up by shelters. Everyone knew it was best for them, but we also knew they would be facing an uncertain future. I was not able to take home the little cockatiel I wanted because he–like many others–tested positive for the Borna Virus, which causes PDD. Those birds were diffilcult to place; most rescues do not want them. The birds who were still being medicated were moved to Dr. Brauer’s office to continue their care. The birds were kept in a closed, confined space for a long period of time. It is not surprising they passed on the virus. Perhaps they had already had it when they were brought in. We’ll never know.
Deborah Shell was allowed by the court to keep ten birds. She already had two in her house, and she was allowed to come into the shelter to take eight more. Her visit was very distressing, as she was aggressive and difficult. She chose 7 macaws and 1 cockatoo. Everyone was upset by this and surprised she was allowed to keep any birds at all. Word has it that she has already begun to build
up a “shelter” again.
It would behove all of us to take a look at our own flocks, the flocks of those people we know have birds, and assess whether we or they are getting in over our heads with our animals, feathered or otherwise. Veterinarians need to be more aware of what is going on with their clients who have multiple animals, perhaps asking more questions and even visiting homes of those they are concerned about. The approach thus far has been too limited–considered interference–but it is not interfering if the end result is giving the proper care to the animals and rescuing those in trouble. It is also best for the person.
Tthank you all for your concern.
Jeannine Miesle
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October 14, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Thanks for the update Jeannine. What a terribly sad and tragic mess this has all been. Wishing and hoping for the very best for those birds on their journey to wherever they end up next.
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August 17, 2016 at 12:23 pm
Just a response on birds positive for abv. It has been linked to birds with PDD but does not mean adopting an ABV baby means you will loose that bird to PDD. The virus is short lived and I believe with proper cleaning, diet and regular vet care, you can have an ABV baby for decades. They are also finding that many birds are testing positive and some just do not test for it because it doesn’t predict future health. I know a friend with a bonded pair and the male is positive yet his friend remains negative after many, many years. Don’t discount an adoptive baby on the basis of abv status should you find one in need that pulls your heart strings.
Unfortunately, I stopped in her because I heard that probation has been completed and DS is working to open another shelter.
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